# Patch 4.12 Shin’s C Bug and Real Numbers

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Published on 2020/2/19

And after the previous post, we are back at it on the new patch! Let’s see if Shin’s C now works correctly after the bug fix (spoiler, it doesn’t, or I wouldn’t be here writing this)

## Introduction

So, in the previous update, we said that Shin’s C consist of 5 hits, 150/250/350 (level 1-3) + 100% CP rate per hit. This was higher than the damage stated in-game.

The base damage has now been fixed:

125/150/175 per hit

Which is equivalent to the 625/750/875 stated in-game.

The problem however comes on the CP rate, which is still 100% per hit.

In other words, 500% (considering all 5 hits) CP rate of the non-empowered C vs 120% cp rate of the empowered C

**If you have enough crystal, the non-empowered C will still do more damage than the empowered one due to the much higher CP rate**

## Examples

Let’s say you bought 75 crystal power:

75*5 (500% CP rate)=375

75*1.2 (120% CP rate)=90

C at level 1 (base damage+CP)

625+375=1000

900+90=990

C at level 2

750+375=1125

1050+90=1140

C at level 3

875+375=1250

1200+90=1290

Let’s now say you have level 3 C and 260 crystal power

Non-empowered C

Base damage+ 100% CP per hit 175+260=435

435*5 (all five hits)=2175

Empowered C:

1200+312=1512

You can see it in the video below:

Play the video at 0.5 speed if you want to see the damage done.

As you can see, Vox takes 217 damage per hit from the non-empowered C

175 (base damage)+260 CP (2 shatterglass)=435

Since Vox has 100 shield=435/2=217.5

Since Vox got hit 5 times, the total damage he took was 1087.5

1087.5*2 (because Vox took half damage with 100 shield)=2175, the number we calculated earlier! 😛

In the video you can also see the empowered C doing 756 damage. Let’s calculate that too:

1200+312 (120% cp rate, 260 CP)=1512

Since Vox has 100 Shield: 1512/2=756, the number shown in the video.

## How much crystal is required for the non-empowered C to hit harder than the empowered one?

Level 1 C= Once you have **73 crystal **you do more damage with the non-empowered C

Level 2 C= Once you have **79 crystal **you’ll do more damage with the non-empowered C

Level 3 C= Once you have **86 crystal **you’ll do more damage with the non-empowered C

You can use the empowered B to root then throw at them the non-empowered (and stronger) C, they won’t be able to dodge it!

As usual we added this to our hidden stats and bugs page

If you want to learn the math behind Vainglory, read Vainglory Math Class